Episode 9

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Published on:

17th Oct 2023

009. Use Astrology To Plan Your Travels with Zoe Cardiff

Planning a big trip or move? Feeling restless in your daily life?

Consult your Astrology Chart!

Did you know that your Astrology Chart could tell you when you should travel?

In today's episode, we talk with Zoe Cardiff - Astrology Expert & Tarot Reader, based in South Florida. Zoe has spent the last decade of her life traveling the world and diving deep into Astrology, sharing her knowledge with the world on social media. Zoe offers private Astrology readings, giving you a deeper look into what adventures are written into the stars for you!

In this conversation, we talk about:

  • Astrology 101
  • Zoe's most life changing trip across Europe
  • How your birth chart can show whether you should travel
  • Zoe reads Kelly's Birth Chart!
  • Get ready to dive into an epic conversation!

To connect with Zoe:

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What We Discuss:

  • 0:45 - Intro to Zoe
  • 2:00 - How Zoe got started in Astrology
  • 4:00 - Astrology 101
  • 6:50 - What it’s like to do sessions with clients
  • 10:00 - How Astrology helped Zoe have her first Aha moment in travel
  • 12:00 - Booked a one-way ticket to Berlin
  • 14:30 - How she felt at the end of her trip
  • 18:45 - What is a birth chart?
  • 20:30 - What to look for in your birth chart that indicates travel
  • 25:10 - Zoe’s favorite Astrology reading website
  • 26:00 - Diving into The Big 3 in Astrology
  • 29:00 - What is a Saturn Return?
  • 32:54 - Zoe reads Kelly’s chart
  • 36:00 - Zoe reads her own chart
  • 42:50 - Final Thoughts on Travel

Thanks for tuning in!

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Transcript
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Kelly: Here we go.

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Welcome to the transform with travel

podcast, where we share stories of

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personal transformation and life

lessons through our experiences of

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traveling and exploring the world.

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Travel is the ultimate accelerator

for personal growth, and it can be

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the root catalyst for the pivots and

plot twists we make in our lives.

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I'm your host, Kelly Tolliday, and

it's my mission to inspire you to

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live life to its fullest, travel with

an open mind and heart, and let the

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world show you a new perspective.

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I'm so grateful you're here with

us today, so let's dive right in.

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Happy exploring!

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/All right, here we go.

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Welcome, Zoe, to the pod.

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So excited to have you here.

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I'm excited to be here.

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Yeah, thanks.

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We have known each other for well

over a year now, I believe, in the

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same alternative wellness space.

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And We've been working together on

local events here in South Florida and

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really being able to dive deep into the

world of astrology and, and sharing with

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our community what you're passionate

about, which is astrology and tarot.

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And you are a professional

astrology reader and tarot

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reader here in South Florida.

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You also do online

readings, which is amazing.

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I know we've done zoom readings before.

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And so it's a great way for people

really all over the world to be able

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to connect with you and, and share

in your passion and learn more about

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your charts and a little bit about

what the stars say in their future.

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But yeah, I would love to just open this

time up for you to share a little bit

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about your background, like where you're

from and your passion for astrology

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and how that all started and how that.

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you know, ties into your love for

travel and all the good things.

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Zoe: Okay.

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Thank you so much for having me here.

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I'm really excited to talk about the

two things that I love the most in the

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world, which are travel and astrology,

and then my boyfriend, which is third.

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But so I started my astrology business

in:

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For years, and I loved being a

waitress because I, it gave me the

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ability to travel whenever I, you

know, whenever I wanted to, and I

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just felt fine with it, you know but

sort of by divine intervention, I

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guess I started to get really, really

rested in astrology, maybe in:

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And it was just something I did

on the side, something that I

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did for friends of mine and my

boyfriend and everything like that.

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And then I was working and

everything closed and I was bored

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and I wasn't making any money and

I was like, well, what can I do?

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I'm like, well, maybe...

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Maybe people would want astrology

readings, you know, so I started to

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post about it on Instagram and post

my knowledge and my insights and offer

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readings very at a very low cost, just

really because I wanted something to do.

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And it sort of snowballed from there.

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I took a lot of courses, you know,

through that time too, because

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I had the leisure time to do it.

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I was doing like readings for people.

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I was getting really good feedback.

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And then when it was time to

go back to work, I was like,

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I'm not gonna go back to work.

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I'm gonna make this work because it's

something that I really love and I'm

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passionate about and I'm good at it.

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And I realized that through

this weird covid experience.

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And so that's how I started my

professional astrology business.

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And I really started meeting people

in the Fort Lauderdale community and

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doing in person events, which was

great because I met people in real

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life that were interested in the

same things that I was interested in.

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I was able to hone my craft

through doing readings in person,

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which I feel like is much more.

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I love doing online readings because I

can reach many more people, but having

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that time to do in person readings,

I think, is really nice as well.

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So that's where it started for me.

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And then, so, how it sort of

intersects with my love for travel.

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Not that it intersects, but it's still, I

always said I never want a job that does

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not allow me the time or the space and the

funds to be able to travel when I want.

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That's something that I love.

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And this astrology business

gives me the ability to do that,

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too, because I'm my own boss.

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Kelly: Gives you like

the freedom to choose.

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When you work, where you work, and you

could even technically work while you're

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away too because you can do online work.

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And so how did the tarot get involved?

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If you can explain a little bit,

because I know we're going to talk a

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lot about astrology during the session,

but if you could just explain like

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a little bit about what tarot is for

those who are listening that have.

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No idea, I've never heard of it.

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Zoe: Basically, tarot is a form

of divination where it's cards

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that have pictures on them

and they sort of tell a story.

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And so you ask a question.

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Usually with tarot, it's better to stay

less specific, sort of more general.

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The way that I practice it.

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And then Tara will kind of just

like read the energy and give you

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the message that you need to hear.

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I always think that Tara doesn't tell

us anything that we don't already know.

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It just is reflected back to us

through a different, you know, conduit.

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Either it's me or you're reading for

yourself and you're sort of seeing

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your position or your situation

from a different perspective.

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So, yeah, it's, it's a, it's a

beautiful form of divination.

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Kelly: And with the astrology, also

for those who don't know a lot about

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astrology, could you give, just give

a little like basics 101 of, I know we

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could go for like five episodes based

just on, just on the basics, but for

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someone who has never heard of it before,

what would, how would you describe that?

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Zoe: There are many, many schools

of astrology different ways to

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interpret the planetary movements.

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And it's actually a form of divination

and sort of like sky study that's been

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around in every, Culture and recorded

history has studied astrology in some

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way, some form of astrology goes back

thousands and thousands of years.

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And so it basically is the interpretation

of planetary movements from our position

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here on earth, literally how they look,

you know, it's sort of because before

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there were telescopes or computers, people

were just watching the movements of, say,

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the moon and seeing how when the moon is.

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Is full.

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There are culmination

points in people's lives.

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People are much more emotional, and

there can be outbursts, and then the moon

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gets smaller, and we have a new moon,

and, you know, new new ideas begin to

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emerge, or bloom, and just literally,

like, watching, watching the sky and

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then, of course, it's become much more

technical, but it's still the same.

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It's the same property as what is

happening in the sky affects us

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here on earth as above so below.

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And whereas tarot is much more in my

opinion, again, everybody is different,

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but tarot has much more wiggle room.

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It's much more open to interpretation.

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Astrology is very detailed

and very specific.

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Kelly: Yeah.

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And I can imagine that would have

taken a lot of time and study on

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your part to really hone in on your

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Zoe: skills.

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I think as an astrologer, you're never

done learning, but for me, I'm never done

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learning, and that's the beauty of it.

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Astrology can be extremely maddening,

too, because it's confusing.

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You know, we all have birth charts, and so

most people are very familiar with their

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sun sign, which is obviously will tell

you a lot about, you know, your your ego

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and your identity, and how you kind of get

your needs met or move through the world.

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But there's so much more than that.

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And each of our charts, they're like

snowflakes, you know, they're all

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different, but also they're very nuanced.

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And so there can be a few aspects

in the chart that say one thing.

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And then there are other

aspects that contradict that.

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But we are contradictory nuanced people.

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So it Can be very sort of

confusing, but in a beautiful way.

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And there's always like

another rabbit hole to go down.

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And explore.

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So yeah, I'll never

stop learning astrology.

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Kelly: what has that been like for

you, working with people one on one?

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It could almost feel like, I mean,

I've had a couple sessions with

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you, not just for my own chart,

but also for my daughter's, which

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has been such a cool experience.

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I love that.

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It could almost, I'm sure,

feel like a therapy session.

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People were probably unloading

a lot on you or asking, should

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I break up with my boyfriend?

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Should I move?

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And it's like, whoa.

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That's a very specific, very thing.

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Like you said, nuance, decision

how do you handle that kind of

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Zoe: pressure?

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So I do feel that the readings that

I do and that anybody, I mean, I've

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had readings, readings, and they feel

like therapy sessions, but they are

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that way because you're really getting

to know this person very intimately.

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And so I always really try to create

like a, a very open and accepting

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and safe space for lack of a better

word, you know, for people to

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really open up to me and sometimes

they'll be like, Oh, I'm so sorry.

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I'm like unloading on you.

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I'm like, that's what this is for, you

know so sometimes it's very overwhelming

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for me, energetically, emotionally.

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It doesn't mean that I don't

love it, but I used to do like

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six or seven readings in a day.

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I can't do that anymore.

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You know, it's just too much and

it, I think it does a disservice

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to my, to my clients too.

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So I try to light candles.

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I try to, in my office, set the mood, set

the tone to just protect my energy as much

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as I can and to be open the other person.

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The thing is that if, if someone asks

me a specific question, it's not, number

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one, I try not to give my opinion.

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Even though I have opinions.

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I'm a human, you know, but I

try not to give my opinion.

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I say based on the astrology,

this would be the most favorable,

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a favorable path to take.

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There's a possibility for this.

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I try to leave it open for them, you

know, because astrology is the synergizing

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or the merging of fate and free will.

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Both are happening at the same time,

you know, so it's not like everything

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is totally in stone laid out for us, and

there are no, even with, with astrology,

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with tarot, with psychic readings, there

are no definitive answers, I don't think,

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it's, I just want to give people the tools

to make the best decisions for themselves.

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Kelly: Yeah.

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I really, really love.

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I've heard you say that before in

some of our community events, the

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synergy of free will and fate.

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And I think that just really sums up

the human experience, really, if you

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believe in a higher power, right?

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There's a lot of people that just hand

everything over to that higher power

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and, oh, well, I'm just the victim.

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There's, I don't have any say in this.

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Or there's some people that

don't believe in power.

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Any sort of higher power at all,

whatever, whatever that sounds

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like, looks like praise like to

you, but there's some people that

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don't believe in anything at all.

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And it's like, well, I control

everything and like it's

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totally meeting in the middle.

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And when you find that little sweet

spot of finding that meat in the

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middle, I think it allows for a lot of.

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Ease and a lot of grace and a lot of

surrender in your life, which it sounds

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like you're a pretty avid traveler.

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You definitely need to have a lot of ease

and grace and surrender as you travel.

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There's a lot of fate and there's

a lot of free will, but you can't

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control everything and you got to

have some semblance of, you know,

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a plan while you're traveling or

else sometimes things go crazy.

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How does that play out

for you when you travel?

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Are you like, kind of go with the flow?

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Do you like to have a plan for everything?

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How does you taking your practice of

teaching this fate and free will mixture

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play out for you while you travel?

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Zoe: So I am a self

described control freak.

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I really, I really am.

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Hey,

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Kelly: I'm right over here too.

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Don't

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Zoe: worry.

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I have a real problem with control.

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I'm a Taurus Sun Scorpio rising.

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Okay, so I have a lot of fixed energy.

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Fixed signs hold on to things.

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But it depends on the trip, so you

asked in the beginning how astrology

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and travel intersect for me.

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I will tell you how sort of

astrology played a part in me

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really finding myself and having

my first aha moment through travel.

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When I was 28, I was

into astrology, but not.

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As nearly as deep as, as I am

now, of course, I knew that we're

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more than just our sun sign.

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I read my horoscope.

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I knew I was doing the first initial

studies to, to get to that depth.

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And when I was 28, I started to go through

a real, I remember I wrote my journal

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cause I keep copious journals actually.

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And I wrote like, I feel

like something is coming.

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Like I feel this.

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Deep internal restlessness that something

is going to happen, and little did I know

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that Uranus, which is this planet that

represents expansion, not even expansion,

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sudden change, redirection, it's the

piercing sword of truth, it's it gives

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you this inner sense of restlessness, like

where you want to break free of anything

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that feels limiting or restricting, it

is a outer planet, we can't see it with

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the naked eye, it spends eight years in

a sign and it's a very intense energy.

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So little did I know when I was feeling

this, Uranus was about to come into

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a conjunction, which is with my son.

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A conjunction is when two planets are very

close to each other and their energies

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are linked or meshed or merged, right?

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So the sun is the self.

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It's me.

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It's my ability to act out in the world.

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It's my identity.

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And Uranus was there.

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Listen, I quit my job.

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I was going through really

crazy stuff with my.

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Boyfriend, the situationship I

was in who is my boyfriend now.

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But it was weird, you know,

it was like everything seemed

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like it was in flux and moving.

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And I had traveled before and I loved it.

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I'd fallen in love with it when I was 25.

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We can talk about that if you'd like.

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But I never had traveled

solo, like totally alone.

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But I had always wanted to.

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I was afraid and I was I was, I

was afraid, you know, to do it.

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But when I was going through this

deep transformation, I got so

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into Buddhism, and I was my, I was

going through an identity crisis.

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I was completely changing who, who I was.

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And through that, I decided,

Now is the time to go, you know,

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because that's what Uranus does.

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You're just so ready.

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Zoe: /So anyway, I booked

a one way ticket to Berlin.

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No plan.

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No plan at all.

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And my, I had friends that had done this

and I was like, wow, that's so cool.

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But I don't know if I could do it.

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I'm a control freak.

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I don't like any noise when I sleep

and all these things, you know, these

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rules I put in, but I was ready.

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So I booked the trip.

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And it was this beautiful trip of

self discovery and totally Shaking

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off that need to control, to know

to micromanage every little thing.

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I booked the trip, literally just

booked the ticket to Berlin, the

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hostel in Berlin, and that was it.

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I didn't know how long I was

gonna be gone, and I got there.

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Again, I kept this journal, and it's,

and through reading it, it's like really

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scared in the beginning, and then having

all these really beautiful Recognitions,

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like I didn't think I'd make friends.

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I'm a, I'm a very friendly person,

you know, but I had all these fears

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and I went to Berlin and I made all

these friends and then I went from

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from there to Prague and I took buses.

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I did it real cheap, no plan.

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And I was at first afraid or fearful

that it would freak me out, right?

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But no, I loved it.

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I booked like three nights in Berlin and

I was like, we'll see, but I loved it.

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So I stayed for like a week and then

I took this long, like seven hour

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bus to Prague and I loved Prague and

I met all these beautiful people.

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And then I went to

Krakow, Poland on a bus.

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I went to the concentration camps in

Krakow and I was, I'm in recovery.

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I don't drink or do drugs anymore,

but I was staying out till six in

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the morning and going all these clubs

and I was like, this is it, man.

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And through in my journal, one

of the biggest realizations that

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I had through that trip was.

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Everything is temporary, and that's okay.

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And I know that sounds

kind of like yeah, duh.

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But I am this person that my whole life

I'm clinging to everything, every person.

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Money.

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If something's good, I'm like,

it has to last forever, even

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though it doesn't, you know.

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Through this trip, I'm like getting

goosebumps, through this trip, I met all

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these amazing people and I had these great

experiences and I met them, I said goodbye

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and I'll never see those people again.

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You know, I went to this restaurant

that I liked or this beautiful place

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outside and, and I'll never see that

place again and I knew it in the moment

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and it was okay and I said bye to it.

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That was the most life changing

trip of my entire life.

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It was, I ended up being gone

for six weeks and I did Prague,

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Budapest, Milan, Slovenia.

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Ooh.

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Cause I met these guys in Prague and

they're like, we're going to Slovenia.

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So I'm like, all right, I'll go.

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And, and just all the things that I

feel I need, you know, I had maybe five

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outfits that I just kept wearing and,

I think like I have to look like this

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when I travel and I have to take these

pictures and I can't repeat an outfit.

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That's all BS.

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Yeah.

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You know, it didn't matter.

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And it made me feel really empowered

too, which again could maybe sound

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corny, but I don't care because it did.

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It was like, I've navigated

myself alone, like no help.

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Just my little phone app.

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And Flixbus and Hostelworld

and, you know, Rain Air or

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whatever, like the cheap airlines.

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And I did it, you know.

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You could drop me anywhere

and I could do anything.

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That's how I felt at the end of that trip.

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I can do anything.

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I can make friends anywhere.

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And it was extremely,

like, it was the best.

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So that was those are some

really beautiful realizations

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I've had through solo travel.

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actually went to Europe, I was 25.

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So I got clean.

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When I was 21, I was young, but it

was definitely time and then, you

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know, working and kind of creating

my life here in Florida because I'm

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from New Jersey, and I had a friend

who was, I call her my travel fairy

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godmother, because she just did it

all before me, and I look up to her.

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So she was going to Greece,

and I was like, Ask me to go

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and I was like, yeah, I'll go.

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So I saved up all my money.

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We went to Greece.

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It was a tour and I was young, so we

stayed in these really gross hostels

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and but it was fun, you know, went all

around like island hopping in Greece and

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I fell in love with travel and that was

my thing, you know so I didn't leave the

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country till I was 25, but I once I did.

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I was just hooked.

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So and I, after that at 26, I went

to, I met them in Croatia, my friends

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who were traveling indefinitely.

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But before I went to Croatia, I

was like, well, let me go to Paris

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for a minute and just by myself.

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And so that was dipping

my toe in at first.

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my first real solo, long term trip.

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played the part was Uranus, breaking

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me free of those fears, those limiting

beliefs, and just giving me the

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need to be like, yeah, I'll book it.

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I'll do it now.

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Kelly: Oh my God.

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There's like so much to unpack.

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I know.

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I'm sorry.

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No, I'm so, I'm stoked.

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I'm excited.

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I want to just touch on the

travel fairy godmother, because

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I think everyone has that.

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And I do think like any tipping point

in your life, there's someone there

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kind of encouraging you to take the

next step or almost kind of daring you

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to take the next step, challenging you.

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And it can be very easy

to say, no, no, no.

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I've.

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I'm building my life here.

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I'm busy.

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I got work.

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I got this.

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But a lot of the people that I've

spoken to over the years is just

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like, there's that one person

that they can thank directly.

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Like you've changed the course of my

life just from extending an invitation.

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So I do think it's such a cool reminder

to invite the person, like invite the

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friend who might not go even, you know,

invite the person to the party, even if

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they always say no, because you never

know how much it can change their life.

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I love that you journaled

through your trip.

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I think that's a such a powerful way of

really cementing your mindset of where

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you were at that time and even if it's

a really challenging time being able to

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write that out and have that on paper

and just be able to go back and be

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like, wow, like this is where I was at.

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And like you said, that transformation

of feeling restless and unsure of

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what your next step was and really

in like this flux chaos and then all

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the way to the end of that six weeks

feeling empowered and confident.

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It's such a.

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beautiful transformation for

you to have been able to have.

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When you realized that Uranus was where

it was in your chart at that time,

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were you already into astrology then?

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And you looked at that and was

like, Oh, this makes sense.

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Or was this years later?

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And you were like, okay, I

want to take a look at what

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was happening during that time.

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Where was your astrology

journey during that period?

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Zoe: was, Scratching the surface it wasn't

nearly as deep, it was maybe the next

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year, where I was like, oh my god, duh, of

course, of course, it makes total sense,

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it, that was an astrology aha moment

for me, because a lot of times for me,

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like, I I think most people, but you feel

things the most when you, when they're

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personal, or you, I understand things the

most when I can personalize them yeah.

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I really love talking to people about

their Saturn returns, because I've been

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through a Saturn return, and I, and

Uranus conjunct, if I have a client who

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has Uranus conjunct their sun, or about

to conjunct their sun, I'm like, okay,

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let's talk, let's really dive into this.

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So yeah, it was, it

was about a year later.

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Kelly: Awesome.

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Getting into kind of the nitty

gritty of astrology and travel and if

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someone were to look up their chart.

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So can you just explain very quickly

what the difference is between a birth

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chart and what a current chart, like

what currently you're going through

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just so people could know if they're

looking up online what they need to

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Zoe: look for?

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So a birth chart is all you have to

do is put in your birthday, your time

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of birth, and your place of birth.

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I use whole sign houses, it's easier.

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But whatever, you can Whole sign houses.

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Whole sign houses.

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That's one sign equals one house.

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Oh, okay.

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Yeah.

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Okay.

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But you do that and it gives you what

calculates a chart for the planetary

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positions at the moment of your birth.

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And so that is the road map of your life.

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Nothing can happen.

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In our lives that isn't already

written in the birth chart.

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So that is a picture of a person,

their psyche, their personality,

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and their direct life experience.

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That's the birth chart.

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Then a transit chart is a bi wheel,

which is your birth chart in the middle,

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and then the current transiting planets

set on top and we see how the planets

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that are moving in the sky right now

are interacting with your birth chart.

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They're like pinging different planets.

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So you know we can experience life

changes, emotional changes, realizations,

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whatever, you know, through those

transits, the relationships that the

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moving planets have with our birth

chart, which is always stationary.

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Kelly: Okay, cool.

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So, with astrology and travel, a lot

of people know there's zodiac signs.

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Like you said, a lot of

people know oh, I'm a Leo.

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Oh, I'm a Virgo.

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Yes.

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But actually, there's so much

more, there's so many layers

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involved with that, that.

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The sun only represents a certain part

of your being, a part of who you are,

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and we don't have to get too much into

the nitty gritty, but if someone were

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to look at their chart, what would they

be looking for with signs of, you know,

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big adventure ahead or moving overseas

or some sort of life transit, maybe

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not where they're currently living?

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Are there certain signs in the

chart where like, those are movers,

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those are adventurers, those are

people who like to fly by the

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seat of their pants type of thing?

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Or maybe if you can explain a

little bit of the houses, what

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that means, kind of share whatever

you'd like to share about it.

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Yeah.

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Zoe: So, let's start with signs.

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There are certain signs, Sagittarius,

Sagittarius placements, sun, moon, rising.

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Because Sagittarius, it's the sign,

it's depicted by the archer, right?

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So the archer is like pulling back that

arrow and shooting it as far as it can go.

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Sagittarius is ruled by Jupiter,

which is the planet of growth, and

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abundance, and travel, and adventure,

and experience changing your

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consciousness through new experience.

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And oftentimes that's education.

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and travel.

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So Sagittarius's do tend

to really enjoy travel.

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Generally, if they don't like

traveling physically, then travel

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of the mind and, and that expansion.

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And every sign can like to travel.

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Definitely.

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The fire signs, like the movement.

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So, you know, sometimes fire signs

are a little bit more spontaneous

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and ready to just like book that

trip or, you know, do this, the

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thing that they've never done before.

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Which ones

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Kelly: are fire

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Zoe: signs?

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Oh, I'm sorry.

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No, it's okay.

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Sagittarius, Aries, and,

centuries, Aries, and Leo.

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Cool.

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And then in the chart, there are two

houses that are associated with travel.

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So there are 12 houses, just to preface.

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In astrology, they all represent

different areas of life, different

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little microcosms of our lives.

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And we have the third house,

which rules many things,

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including short distance travel.

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Okay.

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So that's car travel, train, train travel.

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That's more, you know, not going from like

Paris to, Milan, maybe, but it's short

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distances traveling within your community

and things like that, taking the bus.

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Then the ninth house, which opposes the

third house, it's directly opposite,

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is the house of long distance travel.

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So plane travel, international travel,

things like that, and both of those

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houses rule more than just Those

things, but for these purpose, you

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know, for this, for the purpose of

travel, that's where I would look as

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well as so everyone has an astrology

chart with a sign ruling each house.

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So if say for me, my ninth house is ruled

by the moon, so whenever the moon you

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know, if there's a big transit to my moon.

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There can, that could potentially

be, you know, a time where I decide

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I want to travel or a big full moon.

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It could be like a realization.

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I've seen for people to kind

of take the leap and pull the

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trigger on an important travel.

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Experience would be a transit,

which is when a moving planet

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is traversing their ninth house.

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So say Jupiter is moving through the

ninth house, you know, it's sort of

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like, okay, I'm going to do it because

the ninth house is this house of

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expansion and doing it and going far.

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The eclipses, eclipses are

full of new moons on steroids.

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I like to say they're

much more powerful than a.

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Normal full or new moon, they happen

on what are called the nodes, which

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are these points of intensification.

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And so if you have eclipses in your

third and ninth houses, that can be,

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I mean, oftentimes that is, those are

times when people travel more either

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for work, for pleasure, depends on other

aspects in the chart, but that's a big

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indicator, big transit to the ninth or

a big transit to your ninth house ruler.

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Kelly: Okay.

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Yeah, that's that makes sense.

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Okay.

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Cause I definitely

think some people think.

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Oh, it's just the Sagittarius

who likes to travel and then, but

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it's like you said, like there's

so many more nuances involved.

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And I think for those who are just

starting to get into astrology, you would,

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you might have heard about houses before.

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And I think that's actually,

in my opinion, my, my very

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humble opinion of astrology.

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That's where The bulk of where you

start learning so much more about

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yourself is where different planets

and signs are starting to live.

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So like you said, if you find something

in your third house or your ninth house

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transiting, like a planet transiting

through there, an eclipse in those

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houses and that's, that's something that

you would be looking for if you were

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starting to look at somebody's chart.

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Let's say you were doing a reading for

me and you were like, oh, I can see

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that this is happening in those houses.

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Yes.

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I think You might have some big

international travel coming up soon

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or say yes to that big international

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Zoe: trip.

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Yeah.

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Or if you were to say, you know like

my chart, the moon rules the ninth.

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So Jupiter or even Venus, like a

positive, benevolent, benefic planet,

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were, you know, crossing over that

moon, I'd say, oh, maybe there'll be

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some, you know, opportunities to travel

or say yes to that travel experience.

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Another one would be I don't want

to get too, technical, but there

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are these there's an ancient

technique called annual perfections.

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If you've had a reading with me, you

know that I use these very strongly.

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And annual perfections tell

us every year of our lives is

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ruled by a different house.

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So every year we turn a year older,

a different house in our chart

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is highlighted and activated.

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And the themes and topics related

to that house are also activated.

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So if you are in a ninth house perfection

year that's big time for travel too.

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Oh,

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Kelly: that's so cool.

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Wow.

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I love that.

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Yeah.

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Awesome.

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If you were to, obviously we're

highly recommending somebody

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take a session with you.

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Oh, yeah.

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Of course.

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But if somebody was just like

listening right now and they're

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like, I have no idea what I am.

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I'm really interested.

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What's something super

quick that they could do?

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Like, is there a website that you

recommend just to look at their chart and

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Zoe: see that?

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My favorite would be Astro.

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Dash not slash seek dot com

and it's a free software.

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It's what I use.

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And it's got really nice,

clear looking charts.

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Super easy to use.

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And you just put your, your birth data in

the birth chart calculator, switch it to

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whole sign houses in the drop down menu.

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And the beautiful thing about Astro Seek.

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Is that, you know, it kind of will

probably look like Chinese to somebody

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or a language that you don't understand,

because it is, if you're new.

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So if you scroll to the bottom of

the page, it'll give you descriptors

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of each of the your sign placements,

the aspects, it gets really detailed,

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and you can also do a transit chart.

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on AstroSeq.

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That's what I use when I'm doing readings.

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Kelly: So it gives you kind of

like the cliff notes down below for

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somebody that's just kind of trying

to figure out what all the different

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symbols and signs mean and everything.

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Awesome.

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Zoe: And if you, obviously most people

know their sun sign, but if there's

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another planet that you want to dive

into, I always suggest the moon.

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Because the moon sign is deeply personal,

I mean, think the moon comes out at night,

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you know, when it's a, it represents

who we are in private and not only that,

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but our instinctual nature and what

we need to feel safe and secure and

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how we nurture and how we, how we need

to receive nurture to feel protected.

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And so I remember when I read about my

moon sign, I was like, this astrology

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stuff is definitely hitting because

I always tell people if I were to

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describe your sun sign to someone that

knew you a little, they would probably

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be like, yeah, that sounds like Kelly.

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But if I were to describe your moon

sign to someone else, oftentimes

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I, because it's so personal.

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Like your best friend would know,

your mom would know, you of course,

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but it's sort of like who you

are when your defenses are down.

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I always say our moon, we embody our

moon sign when we're drunk, you know,

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because we don't have those walls

generally, but it's, it's deeply personal.

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And so you can gain a lot of

insight and just a feeling of like

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you know, being seen, you know,

by reading about your moon sign.

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So that would be my suggestion.

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And

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Kelly: so you mentioned before you

said, I'm a Scorpio sun and Taurus

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moon and something else rising.

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Could you describe, we talked a

little bit about the sun being

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your ego and your outside self.

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And then your moon is more of that

private safe space, your inside self.

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And then what, what, what

would rising be for somebody?

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Zoe: So, yeah, that's the big three.

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Yeah, big three.

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So, I'm a Taurus Sun.

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Kelly: Oh, Taurus, that was it.

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Taurus.

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Zoe: That's okay.

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Taurus sun, April 20th birthday,

right at the beginning of Taurus

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Pisces moon and Scorpio rising.

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So yes, and I always tell people like the

sun just like cliff notes is your bones.

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It's who you are at your deepest level.

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It's your identity.

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The energy of your sun sign is

sprinkled into everything that you do.

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It is you.

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It's the essence of you.

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The moon sign again, it's your internal

reality, what you need, how you express

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your feelings, and then the ascendant,

the rising sign was the sign that was

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literally coming over the horizon at

the moment of your birth, and in the

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east, coming over the eastern horizon at

the moment of your birth, and so it was

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rising, you know, and so in the birth

chart it represents it's like our skin.

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It's how we interact with the world,

how the world interacts with us.

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Whereas the sun is who we are

at our deepest, most core level.

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The rising sign is kind

of how we greet the world.

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It's our forward facing personality.

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And we are a blend, you know, sometimes

you'll see on whatever, you'll see online.

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There's a lot of charlatans

in the, you know, that just.

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Don't really know much, but and

there's so many people that do, but

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they will say like, oh, your rising

sign is like the mask you wear.

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It, no, it's you.

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It's just your, your personality.

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It's what other people

see of your personality.

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And so that would be the

difference between the three.

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Kelly: Yeah.

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Perfect.

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One more thing I wanted to ask before

we kind of get into our own charts.

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We thought it would be really fun to

look as an example for our charts so

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we could actually talk about this and

real, you know, not just hypothetical.

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We're actually looking at a chart

and we can explain what it means.

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You mentioned when a client says, Oh,

I'm going through my Saturn return.

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And you were like, I know all about Saturn

return because I've been through one.

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Right.

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Can you explain a little bit

about what a Saturn return is?

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And do you often see people taking Saturn?

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Like leaps of faith of travel during

that time or is that a completely

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different time in someone's life?

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Zoe: Okay.

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So Saturn is a planet that takes 29.

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5 years to go through every zodiac sign.

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So it's a, it's a slower moving planet.

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It's the last of the visible planets.

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You can't see any planet past Saturn.

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And so that kind of just is a

descriptor of what it is because

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Saturn is about boundaries.

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It's literally the boundary of the, the

visible you know, planetary universe.

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And so in our lives, it represents the

boundaries that we come up against.

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It represents boundaries that we create.

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It's hard structures,

responsibility, maturity.

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Saturn is I call him Daddy Saturn.

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You know, it's like authoritarian.

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It's the opposite of Jupiter in that

Saturn wants us to look at things as they

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really are and not as we want them to be.

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You know, there are no

rose colored glasses.

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And so during the Saturn return.

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It happens between 28 and 30

and it's when Saturn returns to

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where it was when you were born.

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And it's a two and a half year transit

because Saturn spends two and a half

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years in a sign and then it moves on.

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And we will have two Saturn returns

in our lifetime, three if we live till

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our late eighties or, or, you know.

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90.

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And so the first Saturn return

happens again between 28 and 30.

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And it's because Saturn is

this planet that represents

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responsibility and facing reality.

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It's generally a period.

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It's the threshold from

youth to adulthood.

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It's when we have to a deal with the

consequences of our actions . If we have

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been, you know, however many years, taking

care of business, if we have been doing

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our work and you know asserting ourselves

in our relationships and allowing people,

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people in to know us, but, you know, in

sort of a healthy way, then we can benefit

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from those relationships we formed.

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We can benefit from all the hard work

that we've put in, but if not, you know,

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then we really have to face the reality

and, and make the necessary changes.

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746

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747

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748

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755

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763

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Zoe: /Saturn wants us to build

a strong foundation in our lives

764

:

of, and it's all encompassing.

765

:

It's money.

766

:

It's our, career path, our plans for the

future, our relationships, so anything,

767

:

any cracks in our foundations during the

Saturn return, it becomes so glaring.

768

:

Anything you've been sweeping

under the rug or tolerating but not

769

:

happy with, you gotta deal with it.

770

:

So some people experience the Saturn

return quite nicely and some people

771

:

don't, and oftentimes it's in the middle.

772

:

You'd be doing really good in

like, you know, a few areas and

773

:

then have to clean up messes in

the other ones, and that's okay.

774

:

I found a lot of times, like

the early adulthood milestones.

775

:

The textbook ones will happen or

be at least initiated, like started

776

:

during the Saturn return, getting

married, having kids, solidifying

777

:

yourself in a job beginning to save for

retirement, like those things, right?

778

:

And so for your question on travel,

the Saturn return is it's different

779

:

for everybody, but It tends to be

a time where we're kind of batting

780

:

down the hatches and doing the things

that we have to do and then the

781

:

things that we want to do come after.

782

:

So it depends, you know

783

:

Kelly: yeah, cause I, I remember my Saturn

return on, you know, I've, I've always

784

:

been big into travel and wanting to see

the world and I remember feeling such

785

:

a push pull during that time because my

husband and I were just like, Just wanting

786

:

to book a trip to Mexico and book this

and book that, but we got a six month

787

:

old, so we can't, or we're renovating

our house, so we can't, and it was just

788

:

such this, Identity shift for us of like,

okay, this is the next stage in our life.

789

:

And it's not that we can not ever

travel again because justice,

790

:

that won't ever happen, but it was

definitely a push pull in my mind.

791

:

Like where's that free spirit again.

792

:

And that Saturn return was really

forcing me to look at, like you said,

793

:

that cracks in that foundation or

not even just so cracks, just like.

794

:

What do I need to do to build the next

stage of my life so that I can enjoy

795

:

that later, like you mentioned, that

796

:

Zoe: is so sad.

797

:

Richard, it's planning for the future.

798

:

It's doing the responsible thing.

799

:

The responsible thing is maybe not

spending X amount on going to Thailand.

800

:

It's like, Oh, we need a crib and we

need to put money in our daughters.

801

:

That's it's that like deal with the stuff

you have to deal with first and then

802

:

let's see what's left over, you know, and

then that's very much like a great you.

803

:

Description of the sign of

804

:

Kelly: return.

805

:

Cool.

806

:

All right.

807

:

So we are going to look at our charts.

808

:

We are.

809

:

So Zoe is pulling up my birth chart.

810

:

She's taking a look at what it shows in

my birth chart in terms of indicating

811

:

either a life of travel or adventure or

what certain times in my life might show

812

:

that there's more travel than others.

813

:

Just to kind of show you how influential

astrology can be or how it can almost

814

:

just indicate where in your life

you're going to have adventure or not.

815

:

Zoe: And it can show the

possibilities for things, you

816

:

know, it's the likelihood, right?

817

:

There's more of a likelihood.

818

:

Likelihood.

819

:

Yes.

820

:

And so the first thing that

I noticed with your chart, We

821

:

want to look at the ninth house.

822

:

Because the ninth house is the house

of international travel, and so you

823

:

have Aries ruling your ninth house.

824

:

There's no planet in your ninth

house but that's okay because

825

:

we're never going to have a planet

in every house in our charts.

826

:

There's more houses than there

are planets, so it's still active

827

:

and we can still gain a lot of

information from the ninth just by

828

:

looking at the sign that rules it.

829

:

So you have Aries, which is the initiator.

830

:

It's taking chances.

831

:

It's taking the risk.

832

:

It's doing the thing in the ninth house.

833

:

So.

834

:

It can be impulsive too.

835

:

You know, maybe when you were younger,

it's like, yeah, let's just do it.

836

:

I don't care.

837

:

Kelly: Oh, really?

838

:

Yeah.

839

:

And you have

840

:

Zoe: a very strong Leo.

841

:

So it's like, no one can tell you only

you can be the authority on if you're

842

:

going to, to make the decision or not.

843

:

And of course, this more like

impulsive act first, think

844

:

later when it comes to travel or

making big decisions that can it.

845

:

get much more tempered with time.

846

:

But if you think about maybe, you know,

when you started traveling another thing

847

:

is of course, we're going to want to

look at the planet that rules the ninth

848

:

house to get, to get us more information.

849

:

So you have of course, Mars

is the ruler of your ninth.

850

:

Where is it?

851

:

You have Mars in Gemini.

852

:

In trine to the moon.

853

:

So you've lived abroad, right?

854

:

Yes.

855

:

Okay.

856

:

Yeah, because having Mars as the ruler

of the ninth house, which is the house

857

:

of international travel, in trine, which

is a flowing and harmonious aspect to

858

:

the moon, which is the general signifier

of the home, you could be a person that

859

:

has a, and it's an air trine, which is

kind of more like flowing and fluid.

860

:

You could have an easier time,

just picking up and leaving,

861

:

you know, and saying goodbye to

friends or goodbye to a place.

862

:

And it's like, all right,

I'll be back, I think, but I'm

863

:

going to go do this thing now.

864

:

Because Mars is like among

other things, it represents

865

:

like it severs and separates.

866

:

So sort of saying having an

easier time, like picking up and.

867

:

Returning or not, but just going,

you know, when I saw that Mars

868

:

trying the moon, I'm like, yeah.

869

:

Okay.

870

:

Kelly: Yeah, that's that's really crazy.

871

:

Because yes, we have lived abroad.

872

:

We've lived in Australia.

873

:

We've lived over in Thailand.

874

:

It's also me and my

husband talk about a lot.

875

:

He's very similar and I don't know

what his chart says, but if something

876

:

bad happens, like recently, we had

multiple water leaks in our house

877

:

and had to renovate our whole house.

878

:

Immediately, both of us were like, well,

we're just going to move to Costa Rica.

879

:

Like it wasn't even a question.

880

:

I was like, okay, bye.

881

:

And so that is really crazy to

me that that's actually showing

882

:

in my chart that that tendency to

want to just pick up and leave is.

883

:

Is showing there.

884

:

Zoe: Oh, yeah, definitely.

885

:

Wow.

886

:

And then I actually will just pop

over to mine because just to talk

887

:

about the ninth house, right?

888

:

So here's my ninth house.

889

:

And so my ninth house is ruled by cancer.

890

:

It's a sign that represents like

things we want to nurture and protect

891

:

and build structures around, right?

892

:

So having cancer rule my ninth

house, I want to nurture and

893

:

protect and build structures around

my ability to travel even in the

894

:

beginning of this, you know, session.

895

:

Thank you.

896

:

I said, I need a job and

I've always known this.

897

:

I need a job that will allow

me, afford me the ability to go.

898

:

And I don't want somewhere

where I sit in an office and

899

:

I have to ask for my week off.

900

:

I can't do that.

901

:

So, and I always will make

decisions about work based on that.

902

:

So I want to nurture and

protect my ability to travel.

903

:

I also have Jupiter, which is the planet

that is connected to travel, exploration,

904

:

growth in cancer in the ninth house.

905

:

And actually Jupiter is the ruler

of my second house of money.

906

:

So where do I like to spend money?

907

:

On travel.

908

:

On travel.

909

:

Yeah.

910

:

And, and like classes and courses,

because that's the ninth house too.

911

:

And just to get a little bit deeper

to talk about annual perfections.

912

:

So when you are 28, you're in

what's called a fifth house year.

913

:

So that means that the topics of

the fifth house tend to play a

914

:

bigger role in your life, but annual

perfections get a lot deeper than that.

915

:

It also activates any planets

that are in that house, right?

916

:

So my 28th year was very active because

I have 1, 2, 3 planets in the 5th,

917

:

including the ruler of my 9th house.

918

:

So this wasn't the first time I

ever traveled at 28, but it was

919

:

the first time I traveled alone.

920

:

I took the risk.

921

:

I took the chance.

922

:

And that was when that moon

ruler of the 9th was activated.

923

:

So that's like a, Kind of an indication

of a transit or you know, a predictive

924

:

activation that if I would see somebody

in either a ninth house here or in

925

:

a fifth house, you're with the moon.

926

:

They're ruling at the ninth.

927

:

I'd say you're going.

928

:

You're going somewhere like you should.

929

:

Kelly: Wow.

930

:

So it's it's like watching you even

just like pointing to the different

931

:

houses and the different lines equaling

trines and conjunctions and squares and

932

:

everything It's so much of a piecing

of the puzzle of like the tapestry

933

:

of someone's life and just asking

questions, like you said, like, Oh,

934

:

are, did you, you lived abroad, right?

935

:

And it's like, yeah, actually I did.

936

:

It's not like psychic where it's

like, you are going to do this.

937

:

You're just asking the questions

to kind of see where their life was

938

:

and where it might be beneficial

or easier for them to do something.

939

:

Like it might be an easier

year for, let's say.

940

:

Me, like it might be an easier year

for me to travel because of XYZ.

941

:

It's not saying like I am going to

travel, it's just like this is going

942

:

to be a really beneficial year for

you to travel, and I really love

943

:

Zoe: that.

944

:

That's the thing about astrology.

945

:

It tells you the possibilities and also

where things could be a little bit more

946

:

tricky and you should wait, you know?

947

:

That's great for that too.

948

:

It's excellent for timing, timing,

making big decisions, initiating certain

949

:

projects or, you know, new things.

950

:

You can kind of look or consult an

astrologer and say like, when would

951

:

be the best time for me to do this?

952

:

And when should I just like, Back

up and relax and take a beat.

953

:

So it's, it's a really amazing self

reflective tool as well as, cause

954

:

it can tell you a lot about your

psyche and your, your emotional state

955

:

and who you are inside, but also

like external stuff too, it can be

956

:

really great at helping you plan.

957

:

Kelly: Yeah.

958

:

I actually, this, you're literally

just ringing a bell in my head right

959

:

now, but I remember when we had a

session, I think it was early March

960

:

this year, you did my transit chart

and you were saying now is a very.

961

:

Interesting time for you because people

this year will start to see you in a

962

:

different, not necessarily a different

industry, but just start noticing the

963

:

work that you've been doing and and they

might just be noticing your strengths

964

:

and and what you're putting out in the

world and I think I asked you like I

965

:

was like, Oh, I think I want to put out

a course, when would be a good time?

966

:

And you said.

967

:

Early September, it would be the

best time to push something new out.

968

:

And you want to know when this podcast, I

mean, this will already have been live by

969

:

then, but it's launching on September 5th.

970

:

And how crazy is that?

971

:

That it's not necessarily a course,

but it is, you know, it's just like

972

:

how nuts that like, Definitely.

973

:

You said that to me back in March

and not once did I ever think I'd be

974

:

creating a podcast this early, at least.

975

:

Yeah.

976

:

And here we are,

977

:

Zoe: so.

978

:

Well, you got the North Node

in your ninth house, which is

979

:

the house of How old are you?

980

:

I

981

:

Kelly: am

982

:

Zoe: 31.

983

:

Next year, the podcast will probably

do even better because you're going

984

:

to be in a ninth house here next year.

985

:

It's like publishing.

986

:

It doesn't have to be like you know an

article, it can be like a podcast getting

987

:

your voice out to the wider world.

988

:

But you, you began to have eclipses.

989

:

We had our first eclipse in Aries in

April and the North node is there now.

990

:

Kelly: Yeah, everyone

stay tuned for next year.

991

:

Yeah.

992

:

subscribe.

993

:

Rate and review , right?

994

:

Yes.

995

:

Oh, that's so interesting.

996

:

Awesome.

997

:

Alright, well that was awesome.

998

:

Thank you so much.

999

:

I appreciate that.

:

00:44:35,523 --> 00:44:38,360

Is there anything Else that you would

wanna share in terms of astrology

:

00:44:38,360 --> 00:44:42,255

or travel or just anything that's

like on your mind the, before we

:

00:44:42,255 --> 00:44:42,665

Zoe: wrap up?

:

00:44:42,945 --> 00:44:44,715

There was a point I wanted

to get to that I didn't.

:

00:44:44,775 --> 00:44:45,015

Yeah.

:

00:44:45,065 --> 00:44:49,225

Just to say that The beautiful thing

about travel, I'm real keyed up

:

00:44:49,225 --> 00:44:51,675

on travel because I'm leaving for

Europe on Monday, I'm so excited.

:

00:44:51,995 --> 00:44:54,345

But I was just chatting with my

friends the other day and talking

:

00:44:54,345 --> 00:44:58,255

about how as an adult, you often

don't do things for the first time.

:

00:44:58,525 --> 00:45:03,105

You know it's, things get kind of

routine and you've lived enough where

:

00:45:03,105 --> 00:45:06,625

it's, things aren't, don't feel super

new and, and fresh all the time.

:

00:45:06,635 --> 00:45:11,815

But travel is something where it

makes me feel so alive and it gives

:

00:45:11,815 --> 00:45:14,155

me the ability even until I'm old.

:

00:45:14,430 --> 00:45:19,670

To do to go to a place to eat food to

have an experience that I've never had

:

00:45:19,670 --> 00:45:24,670

before and I just think that is the

most one of the most amazing, exciting,

:

00:45:24,700 --> 00:45:29,250

exhilarating things about travel is

that it makes me feel present and alive

:

00:45:29,510 --> 00:45:32,750

and and Like, I'm doing things I've

never done before and it just feels so

:

00:45:32,750 --> 00:45:33,180

Kelly: exciting.

:

00:45:33,180 --> 00:45:33,300

Yeah.

:

00:45:33,300 --> 00:45:33,780

Yeah.

:

00:45:33,780 --> 00:45:37,660

And, and you mentioned when you were 80

years old or, you know, like, and looking

:

00:45:37,670 --> 00:45:41,870

back and, and these types of experiences

are going to stick out in your minds

:

00:45:42,160 --> 00:45:45,430

more vividly because they're novel,

because they're new and you're taking in

:

00:45:45,430 --> 00:45:50,990

so many different sensory, like, how, I

don't know for you, but for me at least.

:

00:45:51,410 --> 00:45:53,940

The days when I'm traveling seem so long.

:

00:45:53,940 --> 00:45:54,250

Oh my god.

:

00:45:54,250 --> 00:45:54,960

What do you mean?

:

00:45:54,980 --> 00:45:56,390

Like, what do you mean it's only 3 p.

:

00:45:56,390 --> 00:45:56,590

m.?

:

00:45:56,590 --> 00:45:58,450

I've done like 5 million things.

:

00:45:58,450 --> 00:45:58,550

Yeah.

:

00:45:58,650 --> 00:46:02,940

Even if you're just reading a book in

your villa or you're having a cup of

:

00:46:02,970 --> 00:46:06,130

coffee at a cafe, like, time seems to

slow down a little bit because you're

:

00:46:06,130 --> 00:46:08,290

taking in so many bits of information.

:

00:46:08,350 --> 00:46:08,630

Right.

:

00:46:08,680 --> 00:46:11,310

And that's the beauty of being

able to go somewhere new.

:

00:46:11,540 --> 00:46:11,910

Yeah.

:

00:46:12,020 --> 00:46:12,340

Yeah.

:

00:46:12,360 --> 00:46:13,560

And like, take that sense of adventure.

:

00:46:13,560 --> 00:46:14,200

Not just.

:

00:46:15,050 --> 00:46:17,770

Actually, this is a question I wanted

to ask was what I was about to say

:

00:46:17,770 --> 00:46:20,360

is taking that sense of adventure and

bringing it back home because not,

:

00:46:20,420 --> 00:46:23,340

not everyone can just hop on a plane

and go to Europe whenever they want.

:

00:46:23,770 --> 00:46:25,530

And how do we bring

this adventure at home?

:

00:46:25,540 --> 00:46:30,370

I, I did want to ask at the end

of your trip of six weeks, how did

:

00:46:30,370 --> 00:46:34,010

that affect your relationships, not

just with your boyfriend, but with

:

00:46:34,010 --> 00:46:36,810

family, with clients, like whatever

that looked like for you because you

:

00:46:36,810 --> 00:46:40,510

were such a vastly different person

from start to finish, just six weeks.

:

00:46:40,520 --> 00:46:42,540

How did that change for

you when you came back

:

00:46:42,540 --> 00:46:42,930

Zoe: home?

:

00:46:43,600 --> 00:46:47,485

I Felt extremely liberated and empowered.

:

00:46:47,485 --> 00:46:52,525

And I actually, I mean, I was Me and

my boyfriend had broken up, and I

:

00:46:52,525 --> 00:46:57,285

was so devastated about it and that's

actually what kind of like, propelled

:

00:46:57,285 --> 00:47:01,935

me, Uranus, without my knowledge,

but, but my the thought was like, you

:

00:47:01,935 --> 00:47:05,835

know, screw it, I'm going, I'm gonna

get over this guy, and I did, and I

:

00:47:05,835 --> 00:47:07,935

felt totally Like, I don't need him.

:

00:47:07,965 --> 00:47:08,895

You know, I don't need him.

:

00:47:08,905 --> 00:47:10,055

And then, of course,

that's when they come back.

:

00:47:10,055 --> 00:47:10,495

So we did.

:

00:47:10,515 --> 00:47:14,935

But I felt really like

I really was over it.

:

00:47:15,015 --> 00:47:16,435

You know, I was really over it.

:

00:47:16,715 --> 00:47:19,225

And I I switched

fellowships from AA to NA.

:

00:47:19,225 --> 00:47:20,315

I made a bunch of new friends.

:

00:47:20,575 --> 00:47:23,568

I got really deep into Buddhism

and Hinduism and all the sort

:

00:47:23,568 --> 00:47:25,058

of like Eastern religions.

:

00:47:25,058 --> 00:47:27,648

And I started really studying astrology.

:

00:47:27,998 --> 00:47:30,348

So it, it did kind of change my outlook.

:

00:47:30,398 --> 00:47:31,508

So that was 28.

:

00:47:31,538 --> 00:47:33,003

And then when I was 30.

:

00:47:33,533 --> 00:47:34,723

I was 29.

:

00:47:35,053 --> 00:47:36,563

I started my astrology business.

:

00:47:36,573 --> 00:47:38,183

That was in:

:

00:47:38,193 --> 00:47:42,103

The first part of:

you know, so it was I think kind of

:

00:47:42,103 --> 00:47:49,233

taking that risk taking or stepping

out into a new experience, trying

:

00:47:49,233 --> 00:47:53,453

something different giving myself like

having the ability to, to fail, right?

:

00:47:53,453 --> 00:47:54,723

I could have gone to Europe and hated it.

:

00:47:54,783 --> 00:47:56,353

But I did it anyway, and I loved it.

:

00:47:56,353 --> 00:47:59,363

I could have started this

business and failed, but I did

:

00:47:59,363 --> 00:48:01,033

it anyway, and it's thriving.

:

00:48:01,143 --> 00:48:04,693

So I think making being able to kind

of like have the experience of like,

:

00:48:04,713 --> 00:48:09,453

Oh, I did this really, you know,

foreign new thing last year, a year

:

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and a half ago, and it went well.

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So let me try it this time.

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So I think it definitely changed

the way that I interact with people.

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Because like I said, I'm a person who is

very and I still struggle with this, but

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I'm very like, I'm holding on to things.

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If something's good, I'm like,

when's it gonna go bad, you know, and

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just really clinging to everything.

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And I think even though I still do

struggle with that, I can think back or

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read back over my notebook and be like,

yeah, things are temporary and it's cool.

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Something that's, you know, I had

some weird experiences in where like

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I booked a hostel and it wasn't, yeah.

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I was really excited for it, but it

didn't work out and all this stuff, but

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it, but it, it worked out, you know,

and it was all part of the larger plan.

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And so when I get really crazy

and in my head about things, like

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everything has to stay this way

or I'm going to lose my mind.

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It's like, that's not true.

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So, you know, that's not true

because you can pull on your

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past experience, you know, a

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Kelly: hundred percent.

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And another guest that we had Kelly

Fisher on episode two, I believe she talks

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about pocketing experiences for future.

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For future kelly for future zoey so

that when things do get hard or you

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are like i need to have certainty i

don't know i don't know where this is

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gonna go i don't know about xyz and

being able to go back into your back

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pocket pull out that experience me like

wait you remember when this worked out

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do you remember when this worked out.

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Over and over and over again so it's

such a cool way of looking at not

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just travel and getting to see the

world like really investing in your

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own personal development for the

future you to be able to pull back on

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Zoe: a thousand percent that experiential

learning and knowledge that you get

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for me it's much more affecting than

something I read in a book and I love

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to read and I love to read self help

books and you But to get out in the

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world and like, do it, you know, is

the, and that's, and it really is linked

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00:49:51,088 --> 00:49:54,608

between that, just travel in general, but

that big trip and starting my business

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because they felt similar or it's

like, whatever, like, let's just do it.

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Let's see what happens.

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You know, I love this.

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Let me invest in this.

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And that both of them paid off.

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Kelly: Really did.

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Well, I've been so, so

happy to talk to you today.

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I end every episode.

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I'll give you a little bit of time at

the very end of shout out all your Insta

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and Tik TOK and websites, whatever it is.

:

00:50:16,548 --> 00:50:19,578

But at the very end of the episodes, I

like to do four rapid fire questions.

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So number one is if you could only go

back to one country, town, place in

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the world, where would it be and why?

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Zoe: Lisbon, Portugal.

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Because the food is great, the

people are amazing and beautiful.

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I love the entertainment and I

just feel good when I'm there.

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00:50:36,588 --> 00:50:37,368

I feel the best when I'm there.

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I always have really

synchronistic experiences.

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Oh,

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Kelly: man.

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I'm so excited.

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00:50:40,628 --> 00:50:42,788

We're going to Portugal

next year on a retreat.

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So we're doing Rising Nature

Retreats there in May next year.

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So I'm excited for that.

:

00:50:48,208 --> 00:50:51,818

And then number two is what's number

one on your bucket list right now?

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00:50:52,298 --> 00:50:53,068

For places to go?

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00:50:53,148 --> 00:50:53,978

Any, anything.

:

00:50:53,988 --> 00:50:56,018

Business, relationship,

travel, whatever it is.

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00:50:56,158 --> 00:50:57,938

Zoe: Number one on my bucket

list, I definitely want to

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00:50:57,938 --> 00:50:59,223

go to Thailand and Vietnam.

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00:50:59,683 --> 00:51:05,353

For sure, I want to get published in a

major magazine and be flown out to L.

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A.

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to do an event.

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Kelly: All right.

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00:51:06,923 --> 00:51:07,763

Yeah, I'm manifesting that baby.

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Let's do it.

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I love

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00:51:08,843 --> 00:51:09,113

Zoe: it.

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00:51:09,393 --> 00:51:10,033

And write a book.

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Kelly: Awesome.

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00:51:10,653 --> 00:51:11,203

An astrology book.

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I will read that book.

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Thank you.

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And then number three is, what has

been one of the biggest life lessons

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00:51:17,673 --> 00:51:18,953

that you've had while traveling?

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00:51:20,783 --> 00:51:23,393

Zoe: What has been one of the biggest life

lessons that I've had while traveling?

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00:51:24,163 --> 00:51:25,373

I guess the oh.

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00:51:25,903 --> 00:51:26,343

Life lesson.

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00:51:26,433 --> 00:51:27,503

Money isn't that important.

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You can travel with not a lot of money.

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I don't need to have that much money.

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00:51:31,523 --> 00:51:34,773

I can have a beautiful experience

not spending that much.

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00:51:35,313 --> 00:51:36,873

And everything is

temporary, but it's okay.

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Yeah, I

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Kelly: love that.

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And I think that's really important for

people to remember is is yes, you need

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00:51:42,523 --> 00:51:46,308

to have Some money to get from point

A to point B, but I think there's so

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00:51:46,308 --> 00:51:48,068

many ways to get creative about it.

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00:51:48,098 --> 00:51:52,578

And there's so many ways to

just, you know, do it and

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00:51:52,578 --> 00:51:54,368

figure it out as you go and,

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00:51:54,408 --> 00:51:55,278

Zoe: yeah, get creative.

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00:51:55,438 --> 00:51:56,578

You don't have to stay at the resort.

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00:51:56,758 --> 00:52:01,078

You don't have to go to all the, you

know, get food on from a sidecar on

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00:52:01,078 --> 00:52:02,558

the street tends to be really good.

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00:52:02,828 --> 00:52:05,338

Live where the locals live or

stay where the locals stay.

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Do walking tours.

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You can do so much with so little.

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00:52:09,223 --> 00:52:09,443

Kelly: Yeah.

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Amazing.

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00:52:10,153 --> 00:52:12,853

And then the last one is, what

is one piece of advice that you'd

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00:52:12,853 --> 00:52:14,523

give to an aspiring explorer?

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00:52:16,713 --> 00:52:18,873

Zoe: Oh, it sounds corny,

but just like book the trip.

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00:52:18,883 --> 00:52:19,223

Yeah.

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00:52:19,433 --> 00:52:21,513

That's what Lauren, Lauren

Walsh, my travel fairy

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00:52:21,513 --> 00:52:22,563

godmother, I love you so much.

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00:52:22,923 --> 00:52:23,743

She got so annoyed with me.

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00:52:24,023 --> 00:52:26,943

I'm calling her and texting her,

which she's like, just book it.

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00:52:27,043 --> 00:52:28,233

Just book it and think about it later.

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00:52:28,443 --> 00:52:28,663

Yeah.

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00:52:28,683 --> 00:52:31,183

Get your bag and your

passport and book the flight.

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00:52:32,248 --> 00:52:33,038

Literally, that's it.

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00:52:33,038 --> 00:52:33,538

And that you needed.

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00:52:33,538 --> 00:52:34,268

That was the push that I needed.

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00:52:34,268 --> 00:52:34,808

Book the flight.

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00:52:35,418 --> 00:52:35,488

I

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00:52:35,488 --> 00:52:35,818

Kelly: love it.

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00:52:36,908 --> 00:52:39,348

Just do it, and also get

a travel fairy godmother.

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00:52:39,348 --> 00:52:40,468

Yes, definitely.

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00:52:40,478 --> 00:52:41,138

Get a Lauren.

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00:52:42,378 --> 00:52:42,728

I love it.

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00:52:42,728 --> 00:52:43,568

Well, thank you so much.

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00:52:43,568 --> 00:52:44,618

Can you share how people can

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00:52:44,618 --> 00:52:45,558

Zoe: connect with you online?

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00:52:45,578 --> 00:52:45,988

Yes.

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00:52:46,018 --> 00:52:51,058

So I'm mainly on Instagram and TikTok,

both the same handle, Zo, Flo, Astro.

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00:52:51,058 --> 00:52:52,888

I'm sure you'll write it

in the Yeah, show notes.

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00:52:53,028 --> 00:52:53,818

In the show notes.

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00:52:53,818 --> 00:52:54,128

Yeah.

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00:52:54,328 --> 00:52:56,738

And if you want to book a session

with me, you can do it through the

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00:52:56,738 --> 00:52:58,818

link in my bio of both of those.

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00:52:59,213 --> 00:53:02,583

Both of those social media pages,

or you can write me an email at

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00:53:02,583 --> 00:53:05,643

triplegoddessastrology222 at gmail.

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00:53:05,683 --> 00:53:05,993

com.

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00:53:05,993 --> 00:53:06,713

It's a long email.

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00:53:06,713 --> 00:53:07,623

They won't let me change.

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00:53:08,383 --> 00:53:09,373

I didn't know it was so long.

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00:53:09,823 --> 00:53:15,103

And yeah, I mean, I do, what I do for work

is every day or five days a week, I do one

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00:53:15,103 --> 00:53:18,953

on one client sessions and do readings,

which is like my favorite thing to do.

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00:53:19,408 --> 00:53:20,918

And yeah, book a session with me.

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00:53:21,148 --> 00:53:21,208

Well,

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00:53:21,928 --> 00:53:22,758

Kelly: thank you so much.

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00:53:22,758 --> 00:53:26,688

I'm, I'm so excited for our listeners

to just learn from your stories and

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00:53:26,688 --> 00:53:29,998

learn about more about astrology and

how they can look in their own charts

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00:53:30,108 --> 00:53:31,508

and see what's indicated for them.

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00:53:31,768 --> 00:53:34,678

And I really appreciate your

time for meeting me here in Boca.

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00:53:34,678 --> 00:53:38,468

And I'm sure this won't be the last time

that we have you here to share your story.

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00:53:38,478 --> 00:53:39,038

Zoe: CMH Thank you.

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00:53:39,038 --> 00:53:39,888

Thank you so much, Kelly.

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00:53:39,888 --> 00:53:40,578

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Transform With Travel
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Welcome to the Transform with Travel Podcast, where we share stories of personal transformation and life lessons through our experiences of traveling and exploring the world. We believe travel has the power to transform your life, one trip at a time. So we bring on every day adventurers to tell their stories of inspiration, as well as Industry Experts to enhance and optimize your travels. I’m your host - Kelly Tolliday, Founder of Transform With Travel - and it’s my mission to inspire you to live life to its fullest, travel with an open-mind & Heart, and let the world show you a new perspective.

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Kelly Tolliday

Kelly is the Founder of Transform With Travel, with over 11 years in the travel industry. She's a Wellness Travel Expert, Retreat Facilitator, Travel Advisor & Podcast Host.

She's also a 500-Hr Registered Yoga Teacher & an Accredited Continued Education Provider for the Yoga Industry.

She's traveled to over 45 countries and lived across 4 continents. Now, it's her mission to inspire and support you in stepping outside of your comfort zone and into the life of your dreams.

She's passionate about immersive and transformational travel. She believe when you travel with intention, by combining wellness, adventure & cultural enrichment, you can truly transform your life, one trip at a time.

She's now based in South Florida, and she's married to her husband Sam with 2 beautiful daughters & 2 crazy dogs.